Wednesday, March 12, 2008

The Right To Remain Silent

You may well have caught some of the press lately about whether or not Deaf people should have the right to decide to have a Deaf child over a hearing child. As always, the media just loves stories like this, running with the theme that the Deaf Community is a terrorist organisation set out to deny the entire world of the sounds of birdsong or Bach. Obviously, that much is true and the Deaf Community will be visiting a maternity ward near you with a set of Brittany 2.5 mm sock needles to ensure that the next generation of young Britons will never have to use a sign language interpreter to communicate with the majority of their peers, but there'll be a few elderly relics who still use those defunct bits of gristle on the side of their heads and the brutal medium or words that are vomited air, like a dog's yapping and not words that are sculpted from the imagination, beautifully crafted to linger in the light of the imagination.

Such is the dream of every Deaf terrorist.

Ok, so I'm kidding about the knitting needles bit - crochet hooks might be better suited to the job.

The whole eugenics thing has kinda kicked off a bit strangely from both sides - there've been Deaf people going around saying that the government is planning to have Deaf people sterilised to save on interpreter costs in 20 years time and there've been people saying that Deaf people routinely drown their own children if they cry when you shout in their ear.

Clearly both sides are exactly right. As you can see, this makes the issue terribly complicated, so let's put the facts to one side. Let's ignore that the Deaf couple on TV this morning were saying that they're in support of screening for serious disabilities that would diminish the quality of life of their baby, but they object to the idea that deafness is categorised as being a serious disability (personally, my experience of Deaf people is that it's quite a funny disability sometimes) and let's ignore that what the government is talking about is that if you have five embryos and two of them have an inherited disability they're saying you shouldn't be allowed to choose those embryos over "healthy" ones and instead let's focus on the crazy people inflicting Deafness on their tiny innocent babies.

I think Paula Garfield made a good point on BBC breakfast today, saying that she's not wanting to create or design a deaf baby but if a deaf gene is already present in the embryos available for use to impregnate her, then she wouldn't want doctors to be saying to her that the embryos who carry genes that may cause the child to be deaf to be rejected because if you're saying that a deaf embryo isn't good enough to be used for fertilisation, what message would that be giving to her first child who is deaf? That she has less right to life than her specially-selected younger new sibling?

A note on capitalisation: I'm using "deaf" to mean the condition of not being able to hear and "Deaf" to mean the condition of being someone who is a part of the Deaf community - likely to be using sign language as a preferred mode of communication, likely to go to Deaf events where it takes 4 hours to say goodbye and likely to want to murder anyone who mentions how tragic it would be not to be able to be woken in the morning by the sound of birds singing or a bus going past outside.

Clearly, I'm not likely to be going for fertility treatment any time soon - Jonatron and I are trying natural methods for getting him or me pregnant before we consider IVF, but I think there's a really odd cluster of thoughts here. First off, I'm confused when it became a right to be able to have a child in the first place - as a man in a couple unlikely to get pregnant anyway I find it baffling when I hear people talking as though it's the state's responsibility to provide them with a pregnancy when to me, it just seems like some people can't have kids and there's all kinds of kids who'd love to be adopted into a caring home.

That I can understand a little better, though, than saying that we should stop embryos from being used if they might (and it's only might) mean that the baby would at some point in their life have some kind of hearing loss. Deafness does cause a certain degree of risk to health, but not a great one - some deaf people have rubbish balance, but there's plenty of clumsy people generally and that's not enough to justify denying life to the less musical or the less dexterous. The main disadvantage is a social one - as with many disabilities, but perhaps especially with deafness, if the communication needs of deaf people were met, they really wouldn't need to be thought of as disabled at all. So the IVF people are against the selection of embryos that might suffer a disadvantage socially? Where would this lead? Discouraging parents from having a baby who might be black, gay or obsessed with Broadway musicals from the 1950s? The health authority are saying in the new bill that if all five embryos put forward for use carry such a gene, then they'll not deny the parents the choice to have a child and there's still the option to not screen at all, but then that means parents who don't mind a deaf baby are at higher risk of having a baby whose life is cut short or made painful because of a serious congenital condition.

Anyhoo - that's enough from me on this - I could go off on one about some interesting developments in the world of sign language interpreting but I think that alone would be enough for most parents to strange a deaf baby rather than have to get involved in the politics of it all.

Links: Grumpy Old Deafies

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jen said...

Great post! Such coherence.

davedave said...

it's quite the hot topic on this side of the pond too eh. good post. sparked a good discussion here with friends and colleagues (both by mouth and hands).

ms a maurice said...

It's a fascinating topic.

I'm not quite sure that it equates with being gay or black, both of whom may experience prejudice, but these are social factors, rather than physical.

We are only talking about couples who concieve using IVF, which in itself is not a natural procedure. I'm not totally sure of my views, but I can't help feeling that it is the most pragmatic and practical to use eggs where the gene is known not to contain the element relating to deafness, if this information is available.

The issue of celebrating deafness is important, but in the case seems less important than giving the best chance to a child to intergrate into society (did I just say that?).

But then again, I'm not deaf.

The Pirate King said...

Well, Ms. Maurice, I think you've hit the nail on the head when you say that the social element is the main thing that disadvantages black or gay people - the question is then that if you remove the social element, is carrying a gene that might give you less than normal levels of hearing enough of a disability purely in itself to warrant specific laws to prevent being used for fertility treatment?

I think the other issue is that it's not like there's a single gene that makes you deaf - there's so many: one in seven of us have a hearing loss of some nature and the reasons for it are enormously varied so I wonder if the science might be iffy if we'd be excluding lots of embryos who may well have wound up with perfectly normal hearing.

I mean, I was deaf for much of my early childhood because of a conducive hearing loss. I can only assume there's a gene for deafness in my family because quite a few of my relatives lose their hearing earlier than most people seem to - if my sister went for IVF, I'd feel horrible if genetic screening for some of the other horribly painful disabilities in our bloodline meant that she might have no choice allowed to her but to also reject embryos who might possibly result in a deaf child.

I think the question is where the lines are drawn. For the main part, deafness isn't painful or uncomfortable and it's not, in itself, life threatening, especially when most people effectively deafen themselves out of doors with their mobile phones and MP3 players meaning they can't hear noise around them.

Yes, deafness is a disadvantage, frustrating and distressing, but it's certainly not the same as being born with a painful disability.

I can't speak for the Deaf community but I think that there may be a sense that this could be the beginning of a slippery slope if it's being put forward that deafness is seen as being that much of a problem that you'd deny the chance to live.

ms a maurice said...

All your points are fair. But we are living in an age where there is more of a consensus that people with different abilities have a much better chance of living full and productive lives.

Not just political correctness to give its stupid name, laws against discrimination, funding, transport, schools, intergration.

The argument about slippery slopes might have worked a number of years ago, but I can't help feeling this is scaremongering in our age. That is not to say discrimination does not exist.

I'm afraid science is not my thing.

As I don't see an embryo as a living person, the issue of excluding possible lives, seems not important, well to me it does.

The Pirate King said...

Oh, I totally agree that society is moving in the right direction now and that the position of disabled people in society has changed a lot lately, which is why this part of the bill seems to be a bit odd. Elsewhere in the same bill there's provision for lesbian couples to have better access to fertility treatment, for instance.

I'm not entirely sure it's the beginning of a pogrom to eliminate deaf people from the face of the earth, even if that's the spin coming out of it.

Personally, I won't be happy until they enforce licensing for parents and make up the population gaps with crazy pink robots and dinosaur babies, but then I'm resigned to a life of dissatisfaction.

ms a maurice said...

Yay, dinosaur babies.

It's the future.

fudgefactorfive said...

Picked up The Times on the train this morning, that's usually a mistake, and sure enough, there was an incredibly patronising and article from some right-wing pundit with no personal experience whatsoever about how deaf organisations (lovely para where he lumped in RNID with the BDA, that'll endear him to everyone) are misguided people that care a lot, and need to be commended on their BRAVERY (because DISABLED people are so BRAVE) - but are wrong and possibly sinful. And disabled. Which is bad.

There was the old chestnut about how non-signing hearing people are not disabled when they are in a deaf environment because they can "always learn to sign" while deaf people can't "learn to hear". I'd like to see Tory journalists forced onto signing courses, I wonder how many of them would actually make it to fluency.

It went on to say that deaf people have it all backwards - it's people that are positive about having deaf children that are the eugenicists, not people like him who think imperfect embryos should be "deselected".

Never pick up strange newspapers is the motto, I think.

I question what "guaranteeing integration into society" even means. Whatever it is, I wish *my* full hearing guaranteed it.

It's a tricky subject for me though because I don't really recognise a "right" to IVF in the first place, although if IVF exists as an NHS service, it should serve people's needs in an equitable and open manner and not according to some high falutin' neo-fascist theory about improving the species. Just seems obvious to me. Probably because I'm not a politician or a journalist.

barakta said...

I'm too tired at the moment to be coherent on this issue other than to thwap people quoting Tomato Lichy out of context (from the BBC biased article for example) and pointing them at your blog and G.O.D which I am behind on (as usual).

Thank you for writing coherent things, it seems to convey issues well to people who originally thought OMGz0r Deaf designer babies are imposing disability etc.

The Pirate King said...

Oh if hearing people learned to sign to prove the point that deaf people are rubbish, I'd love that. The shame is that more hearing people aren't learning to sign to make deaf people look stupid. As it is, most sign language using deaf people have to endure talking to people who effectively have a speech impediment when they're "lucky" enough to find someone who signs. There's certain bits of sign language that you just don't get unless it's your first language - tiny, stylistic features and an ability to think in sign language. Also a large number of people have really poor proprioception and kinaesthesia so will struggle to listen to their own signing and remember it.

Anyway, I should go back to pretending not to know stuff.